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CHARLES VICARAGE PACE 1870-1926 - join his ELDER SISTER's FAMILY - already migrated from England - settled at TOLEDO, OHIO -
CHARLES and his siblings - 1891 census - had been living with their widowed mother EMILY (nee Culwick)
and step-father REUBEN DUDLEY
Info from JIM EVANS - Local historian of ESSINGTON knew a DUDLEY family member NELLIE RICHARDS (nee DUDLEY) - who talked about her early days
in the combined family of Emily Pace and Reuben Dudley. It seems, REUBEN DUDLEY met a similar fate as EDWARD PACE,
EMILY's 1st husband, serious back injuries in mining accidents. EMILY became a 2nd time widow.
- sibling rivalries inspired CHARLES to think about migrated family members - he traveled to Lethbridge in western Canada
where his aunt and uncle had settled.
HENRY SQUIRE and MARY ANN (nee Pace) previously of Willenhall area - 1881 census - milk dealer - Bently or Short Heath
- 1891 census in Lethbridge, NWT may been inspired by sister MARY ANN's 1891 marriage to SAMUEL WILLIAM HAYNES at PELSALL, Walsall - 19 May 1891 who migrated to LONDON, ONTARIO, CANADA He also had family members at |
Charles Vicarage Pace
Mary Ann Haynes (nee Pace) |
EDWARD PACE 1845-1877 - Chr 24 Aug 1845 - d 1877 Laney Green + EMILY CULLWICK - of BROMSGROVE - my great grandparents
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Charles Vicarage Pace when, in his 20s and likely tired of sibling rivalry, as Jim Evans indicated, left ENGLAND (early 1890's), for western CANADA where he had an aunt & uncle.
HENRY THOMAS SQUIRE
and let me not forget the PACE name |
Some family background leading up to the 1890s
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Reuben DUDLEY & 1st wife Elizabeth RAYBOLD 
DUDLEY photo and info from JIM EVANS of Essington
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in Pennsylvania, USA SUBJECT: Re: PACE GENEALOGY Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998& From: AFe9963285@aol.com To: Gord Pace I have in my notes on "your" Joshua; in the 1841 census, age 35, and in the 1861 census aged 53....On 30 September, 1833 Joshua married Hannah HICKIN at Walsall. This would seem to tie nicely to a first child bapt. 6 August, 1834, and could be confirmed via a birth certificate for one of the later children. I believe he was the son of William PACE (married Mary BROWN in 1785??). William, I think, was the half brother of George, wife of Mary COOPER. Thus our common ancestor was probably JOSEPH PACE bapt. at Shareshill on 1 Feb, 1735 son of Joseph PASTE b 1709 and Margaret MATHER. Looks like we are probably from the same family of PACE from SAREDON. My 3X great grandfather was Joshua PACE baptised at BILSTON, Staffs. on 23 October, 1831. Joshua was the son of GEORGE PACE and Abigail BROWN who had married at Wolverhampton on 9 May, 1831. Although I do not have absolute proof, there is circumstantial evidence suggesting George was baptised on 8 October, 1809 at Shareshill, son of George PACE and Mary (probably COOPER). Do you have enough information to either agree or disagree with my theories?
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- local Historian of Essington, Staffordshire - see JIM EVANS story on DEREK PACE pro football player
Subject: DUDLEY family....Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999
My interest is the village of Essington, midway between Wolverhampton and Cannock Staffordshire. One of the main industries in the village used to be brick and tile making at the ROSEMARY TILERIES. In 1900 JOSEPH RAYBOLD DUDLEY was appointed foreman and came to live in ESSINGTON, previously having lived in CANNOCK. Originally he came from the DUDLEY area and was born in about 1864. He died on the 2nd December 1938. He had a younger sister SARAH who I don't know much about, only that she married a Mr BALL, then there was a younger brother REUBEN who died in 1939, and he was the engineer at the ROSEMARY TILERIES. While I can't, at this stage, go back any further, I can bring the family tree more up to date with descendants. If you think there could be a connection with your Dudleys I will supply more details. This information has been obtained mainly by talking to descendants of the DUDLEY family. jim evansThis certainly looks to be the DUDLEY folk I've been looking for.
NOTE - Obviously, my grandfather CHARLES PACE was brought up in the DUDLEY family, of REUBEN DUDLEY, having half brothers, sisters....Gord Pace |
FROM 1901 census
EMILY DUDLEY nee PACE (maiden name EMILY CULWICK) Head widow 51
THOMAS PACE Boarder (son) 26 collery labourer
WILLIAM PACE Boarder (son) 24 labourer at brickworks
MARY A DUDLEY 18 (Daur) general servant domestic
REGINALD E EMERY 7 (grandson of EMILY)
REGINALD and, I believe, a brother JOSEPH went to TOLEDO, OHIO
(Emily Culwick - 1st husband Edward PACE - 2nd Reuben DUDLEY)
Mother of Charles Vicarage Pace
THOMAS later married ROSE EMMA LLOYD
WILLIAM married ELIZABETH SQUIRE of Willenhall
Charles Vicarage Pace desired to join his elder sister's family at Toledo, Ohio when his family arrived in Canada from England
around 1926 but died prior to his family's arrival in Canada. His family did not know the details about who and where his family was
in the US. They settled in Montreal where his wife had a relative, Jim Cowley, said to be police chief at the Port of Montreal.
- son of GEORGE EMERY & EMILY FRANCES nee PACE
(d/o EMILY DUDLEY nee PACE, maiden surname CULWICK) and
Prior to their emigration
to AMERICA, the EMERY family lived in BLAKENALL LANE, BLOXWICH, showing in the 1881 census. The ARCH family lived
on the same street at #16.
Charles Vicarage Pace his 'other relatives' in the USA, when his own family arrived in Canada from England. His 'other relatives' were his elder sister and family (EMERY)
(elder sister) b 22 Aug 1869 Shareshill + GEORGE EMERY m Mar 1891 Bridgtown, Staffordshire
TOLEDO, OHIO |
UPON ARRIVAL of his family in CANADA
where "the others" had gone but plans do change he died at LETHBRIDGE, Alberta ... with the death of my grandfather |
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Subject: FREDERICK PACE, Standoff Alberta My maternal great granddad was FRED PACE. In the 1800s, he ran a trading post in STANDOFF, Alberta, approx. 40 miles west of LETHBRIDGE, Alberta. Is it possible that this Fred Pace is related to you. Let me know. STANDOFF is a community on the northern part of the BLOOD INDIAN Reserve off Highway Two. The Blood Reserve is the biggest Reserve in Canada. |
Standoff, Alberta - (centre of the Blood Reserve)
Standoff was once a haven for Whiskey traders of the old west. Norman Bevis Manyfingers |
....see FRED PACE page and Norman's interesting commentary. The PACE name is well known, in this area
of southern Alberta. MARVIN FOX mentioned their ancestral hunting grounds stretched from the Waterton - Glacier Nat.
Park mountains on the west, to the CYPRESS HILLS in Saskatchewan, on the east and south into Montana. The GLENBOW
MUSEUM in downtown CALGARY is an interesting place to visit and the famous CALGARY STAMPEDE in July. Early history
can be found by reading the TOM THREE PERSON's story, a book by HUGH DEMPSEY who's written several other good books
on the pioneer west. If interested, get in touch with the museum book store.
The fascinating story of FRED PACE, Standoff, Alberta including obituaries of FRED and HENRY PACE by descendent Norman Bevis MANYFINGERS, also ALAN CHARLES PACE, of the Calgary area.
TOM THREE PERSONS - said to be son of Fred Pace
NATIVE HISTORY STORIES of southern Alberta
How It Began
- Back in 1997, I bought a computer and got on-line,
- First discovery - was the PACE NETWORK,
a genealogical website that hosted queries from people researching their PACE ANCESTRY.
Most of the queries, of course, were from people in the USA.
- Since America started - and spread out from a British colony - JAMESTOWN, Virginia named after King James the 1st of England, previously James the sixth of Scotland, many early American places were named after English places on the map, therefore, it's not surprising that English ancestry is of interest, in America.
- The PACE NETWORK was run by ROY JOHNSON in St. Louis, Missouri.
- Roy had a keen interest in connecting his PACE ancestry in the US with it's origins, possibly with PACE families in England.
As I was reading through Roy's pages of queries on The PACE NETWORK,
one query popped up,
and grabbed my interest.from PENNSYLVANIA,
a writer was talking about an ancestor from ENGLAND
- from TIPTON, Staffordshire
- - This was near where my PACE ancestry in England was from. .
- - So I sent an email to the writer of the query - in PENNSYLVANIA - where COAL & STEEL PRODUCTION are major industries - A GOOD CLUE - familiar industrial features to someone from INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS of ENGLAND.
Here's the query.....and my reply:
Subject: ANNA MARIA PACE - Date: 97-04-16
ANNA MARIA PACE was my great grandmother. She was born in 1865 in TIPTON England. She married JOSIAH PEARSON there and had six children ADA,JOSIAH, ELIZABETH, LILLIAN, ANNE MARIA, and SAMUEL (born in USA) they immigrated to America and lived in McKEESPORT, Pa.I had already been in contact with PEARSON people.
I sent a reply
SUBJECT: Re: ANNA MARIA PACEMy name is Gordon Thomas Pace, Ontario, Canada ANNA MARIA PACE, born at TIPTON, England 1865, That's about six to eight miles from where my great grandfather came from .... CANNOCK, in STAFFORDSHIRE. Please take a look at the UK PACE QUERIES page, when you get a moment, and the top of the other one that says 1997 queries.....I don't know who my great grandfather had for brothers and sisters, at this time, for sure, but I have a few related PACE people that emigrated here, from England pretty much the same generation (age). I'm trying to fit them into my Family Tree Maker programme. I know there were more and some went to the USA, where my grandfather, CHARLES VICARAGE PACE 1871-1926 wanted to go.....CLICK - grandfather's ambition A connection looks possible between your great grandmother ANNA MARIA PACE b.1865 and my great grandfather EDWARD PACE .....They're both STAFFORDSHIRE PACES,... WILLIAM PACE may be brother to my great grandfather EDWARD PACE
NOTICE - the 1861 census at WILLENHALL ENOCH PACE, 29 born Willenhall head of householdThis above WILLIAM PACE may be brother to my great grandfather EDWARD PACE
and his brother JOSHUA PACE, who emigrated and settled at NORWOOD, Ontario, Canada.
Two sisters also emigrated and settled at NORWOOD. One sister, MARY ANN married HENRY SQUIRE of WILLENHALL and went first
to LETHBRIDGE, Alberta. My grandfather visited them at LETHBRIDGE in the 1890s when in his 20s. Another PACE sister, married a
JAMES LANE SQUIRE. At NORWOOD, Ontario cemetery there is a SQUIRE MEMORIAL with many names on it. After visiting his aunt & uncle at Lethbridge in the 1890s, he returned to England, got married, eventually returned to Lethbridge with son CHARLES PACE and son-in-law JAMES HOLDING of WIGAN, Lacashire. CHARLES VICARAGE PACE c 1870 died at Lethbridge in 1926 and is buried there.
It was known at the time of his death So now, with computors and internet, and Roy Johnson's PACE NETWORK which actually contained two separate postings from members of my PACE family ancestry, I have learned about those family people who went from England to the USA that my grandfather was to meet up with and settle his family where these others had settled in the US.
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On 30 September, 1833 - at Walsall |
as I'm collecting correspondence from various descendants. It's becoming an interesting MIGRATION story - descendants scattered here and there - so hold on while I circulate around the twists and turns of migrations and news popping up.
I know "JOSH" to be brother of EMILY SQUIRE & MARY ANN SQUIRE, (both nee PACE), all children of JOSHUA and HANNAH PACE....I'm working on it with my second cousins in ENGLAND, from Walsall, that I found through these Pace Network pages....GP...Look at family of JOSHUA PACE, parents & siblings, at top of page.
WILLIAM PACE coal miner
+ MARY HILL b 1840 New Invention, (Willenhall) Staffs midwife
written by GTPace-webmaster Sunday, Sept. 1, 2013
I notice the MARY HILL b NEW INVENTION - Well, NEW INVENTION, SHORT HEATH, WILLENHALL, all within a mile, is where the SQUIRE family is from that's closely connected to my PACE family, at my great grandfather and my grandfathers' generations
My grandfather's brother, another WILLIAM, married an ELIZABETH SQUIRE (of the next generation).
I descend from EDWARD PACE Chr. 1845 who had a brother WILLIAM PACE Chr. 1840. I do not have any family info on the
WILLIAM PACE Chr. 1840, other than on the 1901 census, shows a WILLIAM PACE but since NEW INVENTION is mentioned,
that is a definite clue to a connection here.
- WILLIAM PACE 60 Head (born abt 1840)
born Laney Green, Sardon Staffordshire coal miner
+ MARY PACE 57 wife
b Willenhall Sardon Staffordshire
WILLENHALL and NEW INVENTION where the above MARY PACE was from are only a couple thousand feet apart - the WILLIAM PACE Chr.29 Mar 1840 LANEY GREEN is obviously from my family, plus WILLIAM and his brother EDWARD, my great grandfather, Chr.24 Aug 1845, had two sisters, EMILY PACE Chr. 26 Apr 1849 and MARY ANN PACE Chr. 05 Jul 1857 - Both EMILY and MARY ANN married SQUIRE brothers from NEW INVENTION area, adjacent to WILLENHALL. The couple, HENRY & MARY ANN SQUIRE (nee PACE) in 1881 census showed as "milk dealers" at SHORT HEATH which is also close by to New Invention/Willenhall.
The name "NEW INVENTION" referring to the can opener, said to be one of Squire's inventions. The tin can was also part of the Industrial Revolution so a can opener was a strategic tool that came into being, around that time - so now we're enlightened to know about the name"NEW INVENTION" in case you wondered.
The HENRY SQUIRE Lock manufacturing industry is at NEW INVENTION. You will see this if you go to their website - Henry Squire - General Lock Manufacturers - New Invention
With the above factual knowledge, I have little doubt the WILLIAM PACE, who married ANN (ELIZABETH) HILL, who was also from NEW INVENTION, mentioned by Nancy Brown, is the WILLIAM below, who was a brother of my great, grandfather EDWARD Chr. 24 Aug 1845
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29 Mar 1840 Chr WILLIAM
son of Joshua/Hannah
Laney Green shoemaker
Perhaps the census info, caused confusion. I think the WILLIAM PACE Chr 1840 is the brother of my great grandfather EDWARD PACE Chr. 1845 and the same WILLIAM PACE on the 1901 census.
You say, "WILLIAM PACE Chr 1840 - but by time of 1881 census WILLIAM must have died" It is logical to think this and I don't have any info on WILLIAM, from my family members, but it seems a suitable WILLIAM PACE shows up on the 1901 census. This is interesting.
Your ANNA HILL was from New Invention, WILLIAM (from my family) had two sisters who married SQUIRE brothers from New Invention. It seems likely the WILLIAM is the one from my family. Maybe they had a reason to be separated when the 1881 census was taken and Anna Pace nee HILL was in her father's household. - NOTICE the name WILKES in her father's household - Then the 1901 census seems to tell us, they were together again. I think that's the way I see it. gtp
EDWARD & WILLIAM had two sisters who married two SQUIRE brothers who were from the New Invention SQUIRE family. These two SQUIRE-PACE families came to Canada later and why I am here in Canada too.
another PACE researcher shows up
- September 2013 - with related infoThere was another part of my PACE family that went out to McKeesport too, got married at a St. Stephen's Church and eventually returned to the English Midlands. An Andy Pace in the UK wrote a couple months ago:
July 15, 2013
Just come across your website. Fantastic!!
I’m Andy Pace and Live in Staffordshire England.
My Paternal Grandparents Fred and Dorothy Pace were from Wednesbury, close to Walsall, England.
My Great, Great Grandparents, ALICE and JOHN PACE moved out to McKeesport Pennsylvania in 1904,
before returning to England some years later!!
I am related to Derek ‘Doc’ Pace,
he is mentioned on your web site.
Andy Pace wrote in another email
John Henry Pace 1880-1945 - My Great Grandfather - (4/8/1880 - 11/1/1945)
Alice Pace 1881-1975 (Nee Wilkes) - My Great Grandmother - 11/10/1881 - 1975Alice and John Pace - Were married in McKeesport Pennsylvania in 1904,
before returning to England some years later (before 1916).
NOTICE - WILKES - Two Occasions
Was ALICE WILKES related to SAMUEL WILKES ?
ALICE PACE 1881-1975 (nee WILKES)
SELINA HILL married SAMUEL WILKS/WILKES
Alice and John Pace - Were married in McKeesport Pennsylvania in 1904,
before returning to England some years later (before 1916).
SELINA HILL married SAMUEL WILKS/WILKES
and settled in Mckeesport PA
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Dwelling: 18 Grout St. West Bromwich Source: FHL Film 1341682 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2847 Folio 83 Page 11
WILLIAM HILL 63
family of WILLIAM PACE and ANN HILL
Descendants of this branch are in
On 30 September, 1833 - at Walsall |
from 1997
PACE Network posting |
from 1997 PACE Network
Gordon also found the following related query on the Pace Network and responded.
It's great to see the Pace Network work this way,
Here is the query and his response
webmaster RJ !!
Subj: Re: ANNA MARIA PACE
Date: 97-04-16 From: _______
ANNA MARIA PACE
was my great grandmother. She was born in 1865 in TIPTON England. She married JOSIAH PEARSON there and had six children ADA,JOSIAH, ELIZABETH, LILLIAN, ANNE MARIA, and SAMUEL (born in USA) they immigrated to America and lived in McKEESPORT, Pa.
my name is NANCY BROWN, 150 Glenwood drive Monroeville, PA. 15146
any info will be appreciated. Thanks, Nancy
_______ ALSO WRITES:
She was born April 25, 1865, the child of WILLIAM PACE b 1840 and ELIZABETH HILL...
Do we have a match ?
CLICK ON WILLIAM PACE, above, brother of EDWARD PACE...my grt grfather
SUBJECT: Re: ANNA MARIA PACE - Your Pace Net Wrk - query [Staffordshire - Pennsylvania]
Date: 98-01-09 From: GP
Hello ______,
My name is Gordon Thomas Pace, Ontario, Canada
ANNA MARIA PACE, born at TIPTON, ENGLAND in 1865, That's about six to eight miles from where my great grandfather came from.... CANNOCK, in STAFFORDSHIRE. Please take a look at the UK PACE QUERIES page, when you get a moment, and the top of the other one that says 1997 queries.....I don't know who my great grandfather had for brothers and sisters, at this time, for sure, but I have a few related PACE people that emigrated here, from England pretty much the same generation (age). I'm trying to fit them into my Family Tree Maker programme. I know there were more and some went to the USA, where my grandfather, CHARLES VICARAGE PACE 1871-1926 wanted to go.....CLICK - grandfather's ambition
It's possible there's a connection between your great grandmother ANNA MARIA PACE b.1865 and my great grandfather EDWARD PACE.....They're both STAFFORDSHIRE PACES,...
(WILLIAM PACE may be brother to my great grandfather EDWARD and his brother JOSHUA, who emigrated and settled at NORWOOD, Ontario. Two sisters also emigrated and settled at NORWOOD. [ It turns out he was ] I know "JOSH" to be brother of EMILY SQUIRE & MARY ANN SQUIRE, (both nee PACE), all children of JOSHUA and HANNAH PACE....I'm working on it with my second cousins in ENGLAND, from Walsall, that I found through these Pace Network pages....GP...Look at family of JOSHUA PACE, parents & siblings, at top of page.
- NOTE - The 1841 Census shows WILLIAM and EDWARD as brothers,
sons of JOSHUA / HANNAH PACE
I wrote:- in 1881 - Do the names of this family sound familiar? -
PACE, WILLIAM.. 41 born Shareshill, Staffordshire, England
PACE, MARY... 41 midwife born New Invention, Willenhall Staffordshire...(SQUIRE family area)
- PACE, ARTHUR..b.1863, Willenhall, Staffordshire
- PACE, WILLIAM.. b.1864, Willenhall, Staffs
- PACE, ANNE........ b.1865, Willenhall
- PACE, CHARLES.. b.1869, Willenhall
- PACE, MARY ANN b.1872
- PACE, FANNY.. b.1875 Shareshill
NOTE: - Could be some of these folk in the lock businesses too - GP
She writes back:- Looks like our family, thanks, Nancy
After reviewing the 1851 and 41 censuses, WILLIAM PACE shows up in the JOSHUA / HANNAH family...my Great, great grandparents GP
Subject: PACE FAMILY - Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999
From: "Leslie Tillman" - kevlar@troi.csw.net...To: gordpace@gmail.com
I'm researching my mother's family. Her grandmother was MARY ELLEN PACE b. in England on May 8, 1880(?). I don't know anything more about her background. She married THOMAS POPE, also from England, in 1904.
THOMAS POPE was the son of BENJAMIN POPE and MARY PRITCHARD,
whom we know nothing more about. They moved to Pennsylvania shortly after that.
Is she a familiar name?
Leslie Tillman, Delaware, Arkansas
GTP says:-
YES ...click on MARY ELLEN, see where she fits in Pace lineage
ALSO ...the PRITCHARD name shows up in PACE-ARCH family
RETURN to WILLIAM's spot in PACE of SHARESHILL
lineage above
Josiah PEARSON 7 March 1877 , married a cousin of C.V.PACE and emigrated to
McKeesport, Pennsylvania, in the 1890's...
PACE, GEORGE bapt 28 Sept 1772 Shareshill
Family of their son
GEORGE PACE who wed MARY COOPER - 29 Sept 1799 at BUSHBURY, Staffordshire
- CHARLES - [not certain] b c.1800 Saredon ...wife MARIA, children Hannah, George, Sarah
- SARAH - bap. 10 Apr 1803 Shareshill ...wed JOSEPH JONES Shareshill 27 Aug 1822
- PHOEBE - bap. 10 Feb 1805 Shareshill ...wed ALEXANDER REED Wolverhampton 4 Apr 1831
- MARY - bap. 25 Feb 1807 Shareshill ...wed GEORGE EVANS Wolverhampton 10 May 1830
- GEORGE - bap. 8 Oct 1809 ...wed ABIGALE BROWN Wolverhampton 9 May 1831
.....Son JOSHUA PACE bap. 23 Oct 1831 - Adrian's line - MARIA - bap 7 Jul 1814 Shareshill ...wed JOSEPH SMITH Wolverhampton 29 Nov 1835
- ANNE - bap 7 Jul 1814 ...wed HUMPHREY PARKER Wolverhampton 10 Feb 1834
.....son THOMAS PARKER b 1842
RETURN to GEORGE's spot in PACE of SHARESHILL lineage above
OTHER PACES - settled in ALBERTA, Canada and USA
PACE, HENRY 1836-1899 b.England Watchmaker/Jeweller Ottawa Ont 1870s later St. Paul, Minnesota in the US
and later still, in Lethbridge, Alberta, where he died in 1899.
Henry PACE brothers - Fred PACE of Standoff & Sidney PACE of Great Falls, Montana.
PACE, FREDERICK 1841-1898 Standoff NWT [Alberta]....one of original constables of N/West Mounted Police 1873 at formation of force....Trading post/merchant/post office, Standoff, NWT. - PACE Pioneer in Southern Alberta
ALVIS MILTON PACE from NC b Jul 1872 d 13 May 1950 Mannville Alberta
son of SIMEON PACE & ELIZABETH HADLEY, of North Carolina...Short story on Pace Network
Curious about HAMPSHIRE PACES, I posted to a Hampshire, UK list. Maybe there's other Pace related folk researching Hampshire ancestors. This arrived the following day.
Your posting has come at a very opportune moment, as only yesterday I learned of a PAICE from BASINGSTOKE, Hampshire marrying into my family of BUTLERs. The Information I have is:
Deborah BUTLER (bapt. 28July1811) married Charles PAICE of BASINGSTOKE on 19May1832 at BAUGHURST, Hampshire, UK
DEBORAH was the daughter of John BUTLER (born 1780/1) and Mary (born 1788/9) of BAUGHURST, hence the marriage there. The village of Baughurst is a few miles north of BASINGSTOKE. I know nothing else about the marriage, or if there were any children. There are a lot of PAICEs listed in the BASINGSTOKE 1851 Census, including a CHARLES aged 33, but no DEBORAH. There are also some listed for BASING (just to the east of Basingstoke). My family are descended from Deborah's younger brother WILLIAM (born 1820).
Regards,
Sue Daws, Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK
Subject: NELLY BICKNELL - MORRIS - PACE
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 From: "john t. pace"
To: gordpace
I am trying to trace the family of my great aunt, NELLY BICKNELL. She was born in Clerkenwell, London in the 1890s. Her dad was JACK BICKNELL. She had two sisters, and one brother, JOHN BICKNELL, (my grand dad). Her mother was CAROLINE ELIZABETH MORRIS. She married a Canadian serviceman during or after the first world war and moved to Canada. We think Ontario, around this time.
Her son Bobby served in the UK during the second world war when he contacted the family, but we have no way of knowing where her family now live. NELLY BICKNELL was her maiden name, and we have lost her married name, so her son BOBBY would have his dads name.
My mother, (Nelly) named after her, would dearly love to contact her Canadian cousins. if any one can help us, please contact me we would be very grateful.
John T. Pace in North Weald, Essex UKNOTE - John above may be connected to HENRY & FRED PACE, mentioned in Norman Manyfingers section above.... MANYFINGERS of Alberta
Subject: DUDLEY family....Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999
From: jim evans jim@ahough.demon.co.uk....To: gordpace
My interest is the village of Essington, midway between Wolverhampton and Cannock Staffordshire. One of the main industries in the village used to be brick and tile making at the ROSEMARY TILERIES.
In 1900 JOSEPH RAYBOLD DUDLEY was appointed foreman and came to live in ESSINGTON, previously having lived in CANNOCK. Originally he came from the DUDLEY area and was born in about 1864. He died on the 2nd December 1938. He had a younger sister SARAH who I don't know much about, only that she married a Mr BALL, then there was a younger brother REUBEN who died in 1939, and he was the engineer at the ROSEMARY TILERIES. While I can't, at this stage, go back any further, I can bring the family tree more up to date with descendants. If you think there could be a connection with your Dudleys I will supply more details. This information has been obtained mainly by talking to descendants of the DUDLEY family.
jim evansThis certainly looks to be the DUDLEY folk I've been looking for.
see DUDLEY/PACE connection above
NOTE - Obviously, my grandfather CHARLES PACE was brought up in the DUDLEY family, of REUBEN DUDLEY, having half brothers, sisters....Gord Pace
SUBJECT: Re: PACE GENEALOGY
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 From: AFe9963285@aol.com To: gordpace
I have in my notes on "your" Joshua; in the 1841 census, age 35, and in the 1861 census aged 53....On 30 September, 1833 Joshua married Hannah HICKIN at Walsall. This would seem to tie nicely to a first child bapt. 6 August, 1834, and could be confirmed via a birth certificate for one of the later children. I believe he was the son of William PACE (married Mary BROWN in 1785??). William, I think, was the half brother of George, wife of Mary COOPER. Thus our common ancestor was probably JOSEPH PACE bapt. at Shareshill on 1 Feb, 1735 son of Joseph PASTE b 1709 and Margaret MATHER.
Looks like we are probably from the same family of PACE from SAREDON. My 3X great grandfather was Joshua PACE baptised at BILSTON, Staffs. on 23 October, 1831. Joshua was the son of GEORGE PACE and Abigail BROWN who had married at Wolverhampton on 9 May, 1831. Although I do not have absolute proof, there is circumstantial evidence suggesting George was baptised on 8 October, 1809 at Shareshill, son of George PACE and Mary (probably COOPER).
Do you have enough information to either agree or disagree with my theories?
Great to hear from you. This all looks very promising.
ADRIAN in Pennsylvania