MARIAS RIVER, MONTANA 1870 event
and PACE Connections
An Uncelebrated Anniversary
Witnesses To Carnage
.....The 1870 Marias Massacre
All three brothers
- FRED, HENRY and SIDNEY PACE.....came from the:
LONDON PACE FAMILY of CLOCKMAKERS
- We have new info from
DAVID PACE of LONDON, England who has discovered this web page and realizes, these early
ALBERTA gentlemen were from his LONDON PACE Family ancestry.
LONDON PACE FAMILY of CLOCKMAKERS
new web page - with input from DAVID PACE of LONDON who has written 2 PACE
books and compiled a lot of PACE Family history going back to MAISEMORE in
FRED & HENRY PACE had sisters
FRED & HENRY PACE had sisters
ADELAIDE MARY DUNCAN
& EMMA POCOCK of Bristol GLS England
I remember my grandmother,
in Montreal, telling me about these sisters who came out from ENGLAND to ALBERTA after FRED PACE died
in 1898 at Standoff to take Fred's children back to England but the children remained with the
Blood Reserve due to intervention of the Reserve and Indian Agent, as I understand the case. A NWMP officer,
probably a friend of Fred Pace, saw to the children's situation during this time.
My grandmother used to sing a song to me, she made up, about the children. My grandfather
CHARLES VICARAGE PACE died 1926
and was buried at LETHBRIDGE. He must have known of Fred's family during his time at Lethbridge during
the 1890s visiting his aunt & uncle HENRY & MARY ANN SQUIRE (nee PACE) at Lethbridge. A Mr. WEBBER
in the area, seemed to be connected to my PACE family. The name BUCHANAN also may have
THE SQUIRE-PACE folks were buried at NORWOOD, Ontario where BUCHANAN and PACE had a connection as
business associates and close friends with my grandfather's brother EDWARD "TEDDY" PACE - GTPace-webmaster
PACE-KITTSON of NWMP Lethbridge St. Paul MN
PACE-TIERNEY of Napean Victoria Vancouver Edmonton
PACE-POCOCK LEWIS of Bristol UK
PACE-DUNCAN-LEWIS of Bristol UK
KITTSON-PACE TIERNEY-PACE DUNCAN POCOCK JAMES & JOSEPH KIPP
KITTSON & HILL "Empire Builders" -
Railways, Fur Trade, Steam boats, coal etc. RCMP Museum Glenbow Museum - Calgary Stampede Stampede Site Tom
Three Persons   Coal
Mining at Lethbridge Mining History
JAMES WILLIAM PACE
& SARAH ALICE BANNISTER of Center,
Saguache County, Colorado - came to Canada in 1902, settled near NANTON in southern
I came across a KIPP Road near Nanton
OLD FORTS TRAIL
on the Missouri River
said to be
"Birthplace of Montana"
FRED PACE's brother HENRY ran a jewellery/watchmakers store at 29
Sparks Street. Registered in OTTAWA BUSINES DIRECTORY 1877-78-79 - National Museum Archives
Wellington Street Ottawa. HENRY PACE connected to St. Paul Minnesota. His daughter
VIOLET married ALFRED KITTSON. Son of NORMAN KITTSON mayor of St. Paul
and partner with JAMES JEROME HILL the EMPIRE BUILDER of railway and steamboat fame.
HILL built railways and steamboat enterprizes into mining areas of southern British
Columbia. HENRY PACE died at Lethbridge 1899, buried St. Paul Minnesota
OBITUARY BELOW - GTPace-webmaster
- Norman Manyfingers, Calgary
- Alan Pace,
- Brenda Howorko nee Pace, Edmonton
- Gord Pace - webmaster - Ontario
other Ken LIDDELL books
on Western Canadian History
- This is Alberta
- Alberta Revisited
- This is British Columbia
Treaty # 7
Past & Present
"I'll Take the Train"
A BOOK by Ken Liddell - Chapter six - "The Great Train Robbery" - Calgary newsman, in his book, mentions SAMUEL JONES CPR conductor and 1920 CROWSNEST PASS train robbery.
PACE and JONES
Lethbridge & Medicine Hat in ALBERTA SAMUEL EDWARD JONES of Medicine Hat, a CPR train
Conductor. Sam's wife was a relative of my grandfather.
- If this is true -
my grandfather had two family branches in ALBERTA in the 1890s
To learn more about this JONES CULWICK PACE relationship
and their connections in England
CLICK HERE - read Barbara Heenan's NOTES
CHARLES VICARAGE PACE
- buried 1926 - Lethbridge -
goes back to a JAMES-VICARAGE-CULWICK family in ENGLAND.
Another PACE family was also at Medicine Hat at this time with the Canadian Pacific Railway
WALKER ELGIN PACE. We thought our PACE families may be connected- FURTHER RESEARCH FOUND -
POST 1901 CENSUS PROJECT
run mouse over thumb-nail photos - press left
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FRED PACE "Keegogeechee" 1841-1898
London England - Standoff - Fort Macleod, Alberta
brother of HENRY PACE
Ottawa - Lethbridge - St. Paul, Minnesota
of Standoff, Alberta
Great grandson of FRED PACE
My maternal great grandfather was FRED PACE in the 1800's.
In 1873, at 32 years of age, FRED PACE came west with the first recruitment expedition of the NORTH WEST MOUNTED POLICE
Known as the famous "MARCH ACROSS the PLAINS" to MACLEOD
Read about the RCMP, and former NWMP in Canadian history " " - CLICK HERE
Can you image the sight
- 302 policemen,
- 338 riding horses,
- 114 Red River carts
- and 73 wagons
- with 142 oxen to pull and 20 drovers,
- 2 field guns,
- and 93 head of cattle
During that winter of 1873 WINNIPEG,
they were quartered at LOWER FORT GARY
from which place the famous
" MARCH ACROSS the PLAINS to MACLEOD "
was commenced in 1874
FRED PACE severed his connection with the force while at Lower Fort Gary but
made his way west with his NWMP comrades, arriving with them at MACLEOD in the fall of
FRED PACE & NWMP companions
Fred was born on August 26th, 1841
in Holloway Middlesex County, England
and died Thursday, December 8th 1898
at STANDOFF, North West
Territories -(Alberta since 1905)-
FRED PACE, being a keen businessman, opened up a store there, in the old town, on the
island. He shortly removed to STANDOFF, where he ran a trading post/dry goods store
for some 24 years until his passing in December of 1898.
Standoff is a community on the northern part of the BLOOD RESERVE, (Blackfoot Nation) which
is the largest reserve in Canada. Population today is approximately 7,000 people on over 600
square miles of land in southern Alberta, 18 miles south of Fort Macleod.
Fred made Standoff what it is today, the hub of the Blood Reserve. Fred's wife was from the
Blood Reserve. It would seem that Fred was a real life version of "Dancing with
It truly is amazing,
that FRED PACE came from England, made his way across Canada to
Standoff, and found a wife from the Blood reserve. There is a large family of Paces today on
the reserve. Fred and his wife have over 200 decendents on the Blood Reserve today.
His life was more than a success in more ways than one He also has relatives in the
MILK RIVER area who have a large farming operation, just south of LETHBRIDGE.
In Fred's day there was no such thing as welfare, healthcare, etc. People survived by the
strength and perseverance of rugged individualism. In his day, if you didn't have a job, you
created your own job What a glorious country we would have today, if everyone had the
drive, determination and rugged individualism, of Fred.
His other daughter, FANNIE EAGLECHILD, told me FRED is buried at FORT MACLEOD.
I also, learned from my cousin Delores Daychief, who works for Lands Dept. for the Blood
Tribe Administration, that Fred was known by his Blood Indian name "Keegogeechee" (crooked
Is it possible that Fred received some kind of injury to his hand or hands that
forced him to retire early from the N.W.M.P.?
DAVID PACE of London, who recently found this web site has commented on FRED PACE's fingers
saying that it's a family affliction and he also has the same finger situation.
Fred had two daughters named ANNIE and FANNIE. My grandmother was ANNIE. Both ANNIE and FANNIE
kept the family together. ANNIE married MORRIS MANYFINGERS and FANNIE married a man known as
Fred had two sisters who tried to adopt ANNIE and FANNIE in a custody
dispute and take them back to England. Obviously they did not win the custody
I remember, when I was a kid, my grandmother in Montreal telling me about two sisters of
FRED PACE coming from England to take Fred's children back to England with them but that
didn't happen. Norman didn't mention JOHNNY, Fred's other child, who had
son WALLACE and that part of the PACE family, I'm glad to say, also goes on in southern
Alberta, I'm told by Johnnie's descendents. My grandfather was Charles Vicarage Pace who
was buried at Lethbridge 1926 - GTP
Norman Bevis Manyfingers
great grandson of FRED PACE,
Mr & Mrs FLOYD MANYFINGERS
hisorical artifacts of FLOYD's uncle
TOM THREE PERSONS
CALGARY STAMPEDE of 1912
Bison at REDDOM Bison Farm,
RR4, Brighton, Ont K0K 1H0
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23 January 1870
Dick Shovel Site
Holy Medicine Bear Woman,
who was the wife of Fred
Pace, survived the Baker massacre and made it to Southern Alberta.
Holy Medicine Bear
Woman not only survived but saved two children. She grabbed two children and wrapped up
herself with the children and rolled down a hill to escape.
The human spirit
always finds a way
Norman Bevis Manyfingers
NORMAN urges people
read some truth
Check out this web
DICK SHOVEL SITE
a few words from the site
"An Army scout, JOE KIPP, shouted
that this was the wrong camp; he was threatened into silence"
WITNESSES TO CARNAGE
includes words from Blackfoot writer, JAMES WELCH - possibly of the WELSH-KIPP-PACE study
see right hand column
- as is JOSEPH KIPP -of MARIAS RIVER event
Baker's Massacre of the Piegans
Confusion of Massacres
The PLAINS INDIAN MUSEUM
Kainai Middle School
The Canadian Encyclopedia
James Morrow Walsh
of the NWMP
and Sitting Bull
ART GALLERY - MUSEUM
Great Falls Montana
CHARLES RUSSELL 1864-1926 spent the summer of 1888 visiting often with the Blood Indians in Alberta, Canada.
- the famous artist of indian and north/west pioneer life - spent the summer of 1888 visiting often with the BLOOD INDIANS in Alberta, Canada
None of the PR options were good and the Army made it worse by
ignoring, at the least, but probably covering up the massacre. As so often happens in these
cases in the U.S. Army, a young soldier steps up where his superiors have fallen down and
tells the truth.
Lieutenant William Pease
(actually a variation of PACE)
acting as a Blackfoot agent, reported the
massacre to the Commissioner of Indian Affairs, Ely Samuel Parker, a Civil War veteran,
confidante to U.S. Grant and an Iroquois Indian whose real name was Donehogawa demanded
an investigation, but the outcome was prevarication as the Army closed ranks with General
Sherman saying he would prefer to believe his soldiers.
In the end,
no official recognition of the massacre was forthcoming
and only time has
brought a gradual acceptance of the fact of this massacre.
six years later
- The Battle of
the Little Big Horn -
SITTING BULL put trust in
" The Great White Mother "
spending time with
the BLOOD RESERVE people of southern Alberta
also read the
Schedule of Pow Wows
Town of Fort Macleod
ALBERTA Online Encyclopedia
MARIAS RIVER MASSACRE site
mentions the following
half-Mandan Indian (North Dakota)
son of white
JAMES KIPP - (no further info)
FURTHER INFOMuseum of the Fur Trade,
is available from
They have an extensive BOOK STORE and will LOOK UP a NAME you ask for and check for a book they have. I've been there and joined
as a member for their quarterly booklet-GTP
married one of HEAVY RUNNER's daughters, MARTHA, and adopted her children, who had been left
fatherless by the soldiers.
He had a colorful career in Canada and Montana, being
known as "The Merchant Prince
of the High Missouri" He testified under oath to the Indian
Claims Commission in February, 1913, forty-three years after the massacre.]
The 1870 Marias Massacre in Montana
and Blackfoot Digital Library
In a recording,
on-line - (Blackfoot Digital Library) - MERLIN tells what he knew of the BAKER Massacre.
He is a great grandson of DICK KIPP survivor of the Massacre.
Could DICK KIPP have been one of the adopted children of JOSEPH KIPP who married MARTHA, daughter of HEAVY RUNNER ? sounds very likely
MERLIN was told that a large rock was placed at the site to mark it.
- married one of
HEAVY RUNNER's daughters, MARTHA
- and adopted her children
the KIPP surname shows up In PACE Family research work
PACE - b abt 1817
+ CATHERINE EVERITT
Pace lineage at:
- * 5 HANNAH PACE
- m YARMOUTH Township
ELGIN County, Ontario
PACE lineage YARMOUTH Township
I wrote to another PACE Family researcher asking about KIPP-PACE. Here is the reply
The DARWIN KIPP you listed was the great-grandson of JAMES KIPP (1751-1785). JAMES
KIPP (the famous fur-trader, who was close with many indian tribes in Montana) was named
after JAMES (1751-1785)...his uncle. The JOSEPH KIPP that you mention was JAMES' (the
I'm not sure on the WELSH possibility, but there could be a
connection. - SA
also shown on the MARIAS SITE
a person with name
a variation of Pace:
Lt. W. B. PEASE
Blackfoot Indian Agent
map of Canada -
showing Indian Treaty areas of colonial & pioneer Canada
Influential ally of the BRITISH, amongst the NATIONS - American REVOLUTIONARY WAR of 1776 -
The WAR of 1812 & later.
- growth of
Canada and implication to Aboriginal Natives
Policies & Aboriginal peoples
- pemmican - making
essential NATIVE EAT - for hunting & exploration expeditions
- Cyndy's list of FIRST NATION
Rootsweb mail lists
- Morris ManyFingers
(principal of school)
~ NORTH WEST MOUNTED POLICE ~
and Fred Pace
See official oath between Fred Pace and D J Cochrane - CLICK
Siberian Husky Dog Breeder
of Water Valley Alberta says:
I did some research at the downtown branch of the Calgary Public Library on
the origins of the NORTH WEST MOUNTED POLICE looking for some FRED PACE history. It appears that FRED PACE signed up in TORONTO with the original group of police recruits
and almost immediately travelled west toward lower FORT GARRY in MANITOBA.
The story relates how they stayed in CHICAGO for a night at the same hotel as FRANK JAMES of
the JESSE JAMES gang when they were still robbing trains.
Apparently the trip was almost a disaster and Colonel French, I believe, gave
the opportunity to leave the force when they got to Manitoba. |
It appears that FRED PACE or an E.L. PACE was recorded as being, reg. number 1154. The next
person on the list to E. L. PACE was a J. PEARSON, reg. number 1155. Don't know if he was
related to the guy who took over the trading post after Fred died. May be the same one.
Alan Charles PACE - Water Valley, Alberta
grandson of Charles Vicarage
PACE buried Lethbridge 1926
THE EDMONTON NEWS
November 12 1907
E.N. Baker on Fred
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over the above paragraph
to view a clock face
CHARLES PACE - LONDON
uncle of FRED PACE
In the early 1800's there were not many inhabitants south of Macleod and after going
south-west there was not a domicile inhabited by whites till we reached Stand Off, an old
whiskey trading post about 2 1/2 miles above the junction of the Belly River with the
This old log post, forming three sides of a square with the front to Belly River, was
purchased from Dutch Fred by the Oxley Ranch about 1883.
On the Stand Off bottom were two stores owned by Jimmy Murray and Fred Pace; rivals
in business as Indian traders and loving each other with undying antipathy.
history must relate that Fred Pace was the most vociferous about the other party who had
not, according to Fred, a shred of respectability to stand upon.
Still, Fred was well known and had his good points.
His career had been a varied one before joining the Mounted Police.
He came of the family that made the old time clocks upon so many
of which will be found the name of Pace inscribed in the old country, and
was for a time with Lloyd's in London and was always a very clever business man.
One winter in Macleod, he scented afar that, there was likely to be shortage in sugar, and
so, bought up all the visible supply. Then later, when snow was deep and no more could be
brought from Benton
by trail, he sprung his corner and everyone had to buy sugar from Fred, even the
redoubtable I.G. BAKER & Co., at Fred's own price, which went up to nearly $80 a bag, before
he got through.
At one time, Fred Pace is said to have been amateur champion walker, in England, and never
did he forget a very brisk way of walking. His conversation was just as terse and to the
point and he also excelled as a poker player. He resented the intrusion of any other
Indian trader on the Stand Off bottom
THE LETHBRIDGE NEWS
December 15th, 1898
FRED PACE DEAD
Mr. Fred Pace died at his home at Standoff on
Thursday night last, after a short illness. Mr. Pace's death leaves another gap in the ranks
of the Old Timers of the district. The band is getting smaller every year, as one by one
they make thier lonely way across the Great Divide, following in the track of the buffalo
and the bull teams of long ago.
Mr. Pace came as far as WINNIPEG with the first expedition of the N.W.M.POLICE in 1873.
During that winter they were quartered at
LOWER FORT GARY, from which place the famous "MARCH ACROSS the PLAINS to Macleod", was
commenced in 1874. Mr. Pace severed his connection with the force while at Lower Fort Gary,
but followed his old comrades to Macleod, arriving in the fall of 1874.
He went into business in the old town on the island, removing thence to Standoff where
he has had a store or trading post ever since.. Mr. Pace was a keen businessman and at the
same time, like the average old timer, was extremely good hearted and generous and a very
staunch friend to those who were his friends. His death will be sincerely regretted by
a wide circle of friends and aquaintances, and his cheery and generous hospitality will be
greatly missed by many of those who have always been made welcome while visiting or passing
Mr. Pace leaves a wife and three children, to whom the sympathy of the community is
extended. The deceased was a brother of Mr. HENRY PACE of this town and from him we learn
that he was born in Holloway, Middlesex Co., England on August 26th, 1841
THE LETHBRIDGE NEWS
March 23rd, 1899
~ HENRY PACE - WATCHMAKER
London, Eng. - Ottawa - Lethbridge
It is our sad duty, this weekend, to have to chronicle the death of Mr. HENRY PACE, who has
been, for a number of years, engaged in the WATCHMAKING BUSINESS, in town.
The death occured on Sunday last, and was rather sudden. Mr Pace lived in the rear of
his shop, adjoining the LETHBRIDGE HOUSE and, was his custom, arose early on Sunday morning,
as he was seen standing in his door a little before seven o'clock
As he was not seen again all day, suspicians were arroused that something was wrong.
About eight o'clock Corporal LEWIS, being unable to get in, forced
the door and found him, lying dead, in his bedroom. The deceased was 63 years old and leaves
a wife and four children.
Telegrams were sent to his daughter, Mrs. KITSON, in St. Paul, and to
his brother SIDNEY, in Great Falls. The latter arrived here on Tuesday night's train,
and a telegram was received from his son-in-law in St Paul, asking to have the body
forwarded to him there, which was done by Wednesday night's train.
The deceased was at one time a prominent citizen of OTTAWA and carried a large business
in the jewellery line there. The body was accompanied to the depot by a large number of
citizens, and friends.
The KITTSON relationship is interesting
"Telegrams were sent to his daughter Mrs.KITSON in St.Paul"
(in HENRY PACE's Obituary 1899 - Lethbridge)
Mrs. KITTSON, was daughter of HENRY PACE
watchmaker OTTAWA Ontario - LETHBRIDGE,
VIOLET PACE, has lived in St. Paul since girlhood. When she was still in her teens she
became the wife of ALFRED KITTSON, youngest son of the late Commodore NORMAN WOLFRED KITTSON
The 1900 census for White Bear Lake Village, Ramsey, Minnesota has the following:
Kitson, Violet K., wife, white, female, b: Nov. 1871, 28 yrs., Marr. 7 yrs., had 1 child, 1
living, born in Canada, Father in England, Mother in England; emigrated in 1880, had been in
the U.S. 20 years.
At the NATIONAL LIBRARY, (ARCHIVES of CANADA) Wellington Street, OTTAWA
I searched the OTTAWA BUSINESS DIRECTORY - 1877, 1878, 1879, 1880 - and found: -
- HENRY PACE watchmaker 29 Sparks Street - registered 1877-78-79
- then disappears from the 1880 directory ( I figure he went to Minnesota )
- From the 1900 Ramsey, Minnesota US census
daughter VIOLET had been in the US for 20 years
- and born Nov 1871 Canada.
- HENRY showed in the 1871 census at OTTAWA
- HENRY PACE seems to have left OTTAWA after 1879
and LIKELY WENT to St. PAUL, MINNESOTA.
- I'd like to know about his desire to go to St. PAUL, MINNESOTA.
- Did he know the KITTSON family before leaving OTTAWA?
- At a later date
HENRY PACE went to LETHBRIDGE
where he met with my PACE ancestors
at LETHBRIDGE - HENRY & MARY ANN SQUIRE nee PACE - aunt & uncle of my grandfather who is buried at LETHBRIDGE, Alberta.
- CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILWAY completion may have been reason people came to the LETHBRIDGE area.
- My grandmother in Montreal HAD KNOWLEDGE of FRED PACES's children - ANNIE, FANNIE, JOHNNY
and Fred's TWO SISTERS coming from England after Fred's 1898 death and their attempt to take Fred's
children back to England. This news from my grandfather who had been visiting his aunt and
uncle HENRY & MARY ANN SQUIRE (nee PACE) at Lethbridge, in the 1890s.
- VIOLET PACE married ALFRED KITTSON at St Paul. Kittson family from Sorel, Quebec.
Was there some attraction for HENRY to go to St. Paul from Ottawa around 1880 ?
- FRED PACE brother, had been on the NWMP March West to MacLeod in 1873/4
and likely knew Dr.JOHN KITTSON, brother of ALFRED KITTSON.
- Could Henry's wife have something to do with them going to St.Paul?
Pertinent History GEORGE
STEPHEN - Bank of Montreal Director 1873 - President three years later - George
Stephen partnered with DONALD SMITH of the HBC - JAMES JEROME HILL and NORMAN KITTSON - original syndicate
members of the CANADIAN PACIFIC RAILWAY.
- HUDSONS BAY Co.
James Jerome Hill (1838-1916) Born
on 16 September 1838, ROCKWOOD, near Guelph, Upper Canada, (ONTARIO today)
click on crest
to learn more
It's known Dr. Kitson of the NWMP was from SOREL Quebec and son of NORMAN WOLFRED
KITTSON, born Sorel, Quebec 1814 a prominent St.Paul fur trader, partner of The American
Fur Company. Mayor of St.Paul, financial contributor and partner with JAMES JEROME HILL's Great Northern
railway, another Canadian. The city of St. Paul, Minnesota had many French Canadians, in the fur
trade and early settlement of Minnesota Territory. Kittson's family ran steamboats on the
Red River, between Grandforks, ND & Winnipeg
NORMAN KITTSON's eldest brother, ANGUS, also a fur trader (1783-1858), was the great
grandfather of Henry Norman
BETHUNE (1890-1939), Canadian physician and surgeon of China fame.
famous and highly respected in China for creating the medical 'armada' in China called the
"Barefoot Doctors". Norman's other brothers & sisters include John, the Dean of
Montreal and first principal of McGill University; Alexander Neil, the second Bishop of
Toronto; James, another fur trader; Donald, a steam boat owner and several wives of
furtraders. Norman William Bethune married George Kittson's eldest daughter, Margaret.
click on crest
and Eastern Railway - James J Hill -
Vancouver, Victoria & Eastern Railway
- Columbia & Western Railway
CANADIAN-AMERICANS JAMES JEROME HILL Known as 'The
click on crest
One of Norman's sons was Dr. JOHN KITTSON of the North West Mounted Police. Sketches
of him on Bruce Haig's site in the Julien pages which will lead you to the pictures not only
of Dr John Kittson, but RED RIVER CARTS used by his father, NORMAN of St. Paul. Dr.
John Kittson retired from the NWMP and ran a drug store at MAPLE CREEK, Saskachewan,
just a few miles north of FORT WALSH in the Cypress Hills of southern
In 1844, Norman W. Kittson came to Pembina....check out the map -
Manitoba/Minnesota/North Dakota area
The county is named after Norman W. Kittson, an early fur trader &
partner of the American Fur Company. He increased the fur trading traffic significantly by
increasing the use of oxcarts. (Red River Carts) He was also responsible for the pioneering
of the steamboat in the Red River and was active with James J. Hill in the development of
JAMES J. HILL - The
Building of the Great Northern Rly - HILL &
Steamboats - 7yu HUDSON's
MIGRATION of Voyageurs From
Drummond Island to Penetanguishene in 1828 - A.C. Osbourne
census of Ontario
Age  Birthplace [ENGLAND] Religion [CP]
Ethnic Origin [ENGLISH] Occupation [WATCHMAKER]
District  Sub District [A] Division
Page  Page  County [CAR] Description [Ottawa City - Wellington Ward]
So we know that HENRY PACE was a WATCHMAKER
from: 'Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World' by G.H.Baillie, 2nd edition 1947,
which lists clockmakers up to 1825.
Henry - Ottawa, 1875
Henry - Brampton, Canada, 1862
The second Henry Pace may be the same Henry. If so, this would indicate Henry was in Canada
as early as 1862.
Could the following refer to our HENRY PACE ?
If so, it looks as if HENRY may have
come out from ENGLAND alone prior to the 1871 census to establish himself, then returned to
ENGLAND, then returned to CANADA with his wife.
Transcribed from National Archives of Canada (Ottawa)
November, 1999; Microfilm No:
C-4528, on the ship SS Delta
(Ref.#18 on film), sailing from Plymouth 12 May 1873 to
Quebec, lines 26-27:
PACE, Fred, 23, Married
Elizabeth, 21, Married
click here - letter referring to HENRY PACE -
Subject: PACE Clockmakers of London
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000
White in Helsinki Finland
There were quite a few PACE clockmakers in LONDON.
The dates given are those which have
been estimated by a study of known clocks.
Hope this lot helps!
CLICK HERE Vancouver Victoria and
Eastern Railway - James J Hill
CLICK HERE Vancouver, Victoria &
CLICK HERE Columbia & Western Railway
Subject: HOLLOWAY PACE
Holloway, Middlesex Greater London
Mon 11 Oct 1999
I live in a small village in Essex, called North Weald. but was born in Islington, London,
and spent my first 29 years there. HOLLOWAY is a part of ISLINGTON. I have no knowledge of
FRED PACE for that time, but my dad's name was JOHN HENRY, as was my granddad, and great
My uncles, and great uncles are named FRED. My great granddad JOHN HENRY died
in ISLINGTON 1914, aged 40. His dad's name was HENRY PACE. JOHN HENRY was married in
1894 at BETHNALL GREEN, London, to MARY WELLS but I cannot find out where or when he was
born, so it is possible that we are related. JTP
The following 1881 census info seems to show the possible wife of Henry Pace who went to
Canada as a watchmaker. JTP's statement, " My great granddad JOHN HENRY died in ISLINGTON
1914, aged 40." would fit here as JOHN PACE below, Harriet's son.
1881 census of London
37 Hollingworth St Islington, London, Middlesex, England
HARRIET PACE W 44 F born St Pancras, Middlesex, England
- wife of HENRY PACE
CHARLES HENRY PACE Son 14 M born Islington, Middlesex, England Occ:(Errand)
+ MARY WELLS m 1894 at Bethnal Green, London
GEORGE FISH Adopted Son 13 M
Islington, Middlesex, England Occ: (Errand) Office Boy
JOHN PACE Son 8 M
Islington, Middlesex, England Occ: Scholar
.... [1881-8=1873+40=1913] ....possibly
JOHN HENRY, the ggrandfather
February 02, 2000 The address for Harriet and John pace in the 1881 census, Hollingsworth
street is in the Holloway area of Islington and just a couple of streets from where my great
mother Mary Wells was born so it looks as though it fits in.
I am still trying to find my Canadian cousins on my mothers side, as I told you my grand
dads sister Nelly Bicknell married a Canadian serviceman during or after the first world
war. the family have forgotten her married name only that her son Bobby served in the UK in
the second world war. I don't know if she married in London or Ontario. I know it is a
impossible task but any suggestions would be gratefully received. JP
dear gordon, Nelly Bicknell was her maiden name, and we have lost her married name, so her
son bobby would have his dad's name. as for me .? i live in a small village in essex, called
North Weald but
i was born in islington london, and spent my first 29 years there. Holloway is a part of
i have no knowledge of Fred Pace for that time but my dad's name was John Henry, as was my
granddad, and great granddad. My uncles, and great uncles are named Fred. My great granddad
John Henry died in Islinton 1914 aged 40. His dad's name was Henry Pace. John Henry was
married in 1894 at Bethnal Green, London, to Mary Wells. but I can not find out where or
when he was born, so it is possible that we are related. hope to hear from you soon. JTP
John Henry Pace 1876-1914
11 May 2003 John Henry was my G-Grandfather In the 1901 census his mother was listed as
Elizabeth Pace, but in the 1881 census I think it is her listed as Harriet Pace, are
these the same person? I then need to find what her husband name was. any help much
In Reply to:
John Henry Pace 1876-1914 Islington London by: LW
QUERY 12 May 2003 Was your John Henry Pace married in 1894 at Bethnal Green, London, to
Mary Wells? If so, please get in touch GTP Ontario Canada
In Reply to:
Re: John Henry Pace 1876-1914 Islington London. GTP
12 May 2003 Yes, this is John Henry who married Mary Wells in Bethnal Green. I also believe
He died in an accident involving a horse and a low bridge, would you know this? LW
In Reply to:
Re: John Henry Pace 1876-1914 Islington London. LW
From 1881 census:
37 Hollingworth St Islington, London
- HARRIET PACE W 44 F born
- wife of HENRY PACE ??
- CHARLES PACE Son 14 M born Islington,
Middlesex, Occ:(Errand) Office Boy
- GEORGE FISH Adopted Son 13 M Islington Occ: Office
- JOHN (Henry) PACE Son 8 M Islington Occ: Scholar
The address for Harriet and John Pace in the 1881 census, Hollingsworth Street is in the
Holloway area of Islington just a couple streets from where Mary Wells was born so it looks
as though it fits. I have good reason to believe Harriet's husband was Henry Pace, a
watchmaker of the London Pace family of Clockmakers.
Henry came to Canada prior to 1871 and shows on the 1871 census of Ontario and registered in
the Ottawa Directory of merchants, having a jewellery store at 29 Sparks Street, Ottawa. In
the 1890s was running a store in Lethbridge, Alberta. It was here that my PACE family must
have met Henry and his brother Fred. I don't know if we're related but I have heard the
story from my grandmother when I was small.
I have met the descendents of Fred. He made the PACE name famous in southern Alberta.
Henry came out to Canada, maybe intending his wife to come later. Possibly she got scared,
considering a sea voyage, and remained in London. I don't have any record that Henry was
with wife/partner in Canada. I have previous London record of Fish & Pace also - gordpace at
eagle dot ca - write me - interesting family story, too much to post here. Also a present
day member in London. In my family, I have a similar story of a watchmaker coming from
Somerset to Montreal. There may be a connection yet. GTP Ontario
In Reply to:
Re: John Henry Pace 1876-1914 Islington London by: LW
GEORGE FISH Adopted Son 13 - in the 1881 census, seems to link the FISH & PACE families,
GEORGE was adopted by HARRIET, whose maiden name also looked to be FISHE.
M047932 Spouse: Thomas FISH
Marriage: 4 Jun 1843 Old Church, Saint
- could Harriet be a neice of above couple?
18 Oct 1843 Old Church, Saint Pancras
Father: JAMES FISHE -
maybe JAMES was brother of THOMAS above or was he THOMAS JAMES, the wife and
mother were Elizabeth So Harriet's MOTHER or AUNT was likely a Pace/Paice.
HARRIET PACE widow 44 F born St Pancras, Middlesex
- possible wife of
HENRY PACE - watchmaker - went to Canada
CHARLES PACE Son 14 M born Islington
GEORGE FISH Adopted Son 13 M Islington
PACE Son 8 M Islington, Middlesex Occ: Scholar
John being your John Henry Pace who got killed in a horse accident in 1914. Would
you know about CHARLES or GEORGE ?
REPLY 17 Jun 2003 I think I may have found Charles' family, am just waiting
confirmation. If this is the right family, Charles went to live in Essex and married Mary,
They had children, one called Edith, and she married and had a daughter Mary who is alive
and aged 86. When this is all confirmed I will let you know the details.I am still awaiting
more details on John Henrys parents. I found out that his mothers name was Elizabeth
Harriet, hence why she was Elizabeth in the 1901 census and Harriet in the 1881 census. I
will order the birth certificate of John Henry and then hopefully that will give his fathers
name. I still have an aged Aunt, who knew my G.Grandparents, I am hoping that she will also
be able to give me some more details, LW
Confirmed the following to be brothers & sisters,
thanks to BRENDA HOWORKO, nee
PACE & Alberta Provincial Archives, EDMONTON AB: -
HENRY PACE 1836-1899 - b England d Lethbridge, Alberta Canada
Ottawa, Ont 1877-79. Later at Lethdridge, Alberta... taken to ST. PAUL for burial by
daughter, ...a 'KITSON'. Henry, father of 4 children (trying to find out about them)
FREDERICK PACE 1841-1898
b 26 Aug 1841, HOLLOWAY, Middlesex, England
Fred rode in famous "MARCH WEST of MacLEOD 1874" Fred ran a trading post at Stand Off,
Fred is buried at Fort Macleod, ALBERTA
+ MEDICINE BEAR WOMAN -
- ANNIE PACE
+ MORRIS MANYFINGERS
- FANNIE PACE
- JOHNNY PACE - Naatoyiiksisskstaki
+ ROSE ENGLISH
Parents - JOHN
and EMMA (FOX) ENGLISH
ANNIE PACE - MORRIS MANYFINGERS
Manyfingers collection - thanks Norman
SIDNEY PACE, of GREAT FALLS, Montana born England 1856 - died PHILADEPHIA, Pa. -
doubtful - Little is known of Sidney other than he shows in
- 1891 census -
LETHBRIDGE, Russell House - bartender
- 1899 OBITUARY
of HENRY PACE
- 1901 census - GREAT FALLS living at Grande Hotel
FRANCES ELIZABETH POCOCK (nee Pace) of BRISTOL,
ADELAIDE MARY DUNCAN (nee Pace) of BRISTOL,
LEWIS surname ERROR in census
DAVIS found to be
The LEWIS and PACE surname
connects in southern ALBERTA.
- FRED and HENRY PACE's sisters of BRISTOL, England had several LEWIS relatives -
listed below from 1881 census of Britain.
- HENRY PACE, Lethbridge 1899,
found dead by CONSTABLE LEWIS - Was NWMP CONSTABLE LEWIS a
- WILLIAM JOHN PACE of nearby Crowsnest Pass - mother was
CATHERINE LEWIS - (from at BC Archives)
- but research
from a TIERNEY descendent-researcher has found CATHERINE's surname to be DAVIS
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Possibly the LEWIS occasions have a connection
I welcome anyone's info or
NEW INFO came on JUNE 13, 2009 from a TIERNEY Descendent that indicates
the 1901 census info on WILLIAM JOHN PACE may not be accurate and points to a PACE family in
ONTARIO as his origin (on another web page) of UNITED EMPIRE LOYALIST background from New
Jersey, originally Baumholder, Prussia.
Origins of WILLIAM JOHN PACE
from ONTARIO UEL Family
1901 census info
from Provincial Archives at Victoria, BC
WILLIAM JOHN PACE b 06 May 1866 DAVENPORT, Ohio
Parents: MICHAEL PACE and
+ MARGARET TIERNEY b 13 May 1870
- KATHLEEN PACE b 09 Jan 1890
+ CYRIL GORDON ROYDS
JOHN PACE b 23 Apr 1892 Vancouver, BC
Distinguished Flying Cross awarded
- MARGARET PACE b
23 Mar 1895
A TIERNEY Descendent-researcher
writes BELOW to help
erroneous information on LEWIS
June 13, 2009
I've since found out quite a bit about WILLIAM JOHN PACE. He may have
been down in the States but he was not born there. He was born abt 1863 in either Lambton
or Elgin county in Ontario to Michale Pace and Catherine DAVIS (not Lewis). Their
marriage is on record at the Regular Baptist Church in ELGIN COUNTY on 12 May 1859. MICHAEL
PACE was a son of WILLIAM PACE and PAULINA CHAPEL. Catherine Davis' father was Mitchell
Davis, her mother's name is not given on the marriage registration.
WILLIAM JOHN is found with his parents and siblings THOMAS and SARAH JANE in the 1871
Lambton, Ontario census. By the 1881 census, he has left home (his widowed father MICHAEL
PACE and siblings are in the 1881 SARNIA, Lambton census) and is found in the Bruce City,
Bruce, Ontario census, aged 18, and a 'sailor'. I think he was working the lake between
Ontario and Ohio and this is where the confusion re his birthplace comes in. He probably
lived there sometime after 1881 before returning to Canada.
Another PACE in ALBERTA that I discovered in my research at the Provincial Archives
of British Columbia in Victoria was WILLIAM JOHN PACE at nearby CROWSNEST PASS
whose mother was also thought to be a LEWIS from info in the 1901 census
found at the Archives but other researchers of the TIERNEY family had discovered that
DAVIS and not LEWIS was the mother of:
WILLIAM JOHN PACE - Ohio, Crowsnest Pass, Vancouver, Edmonton
Born: DAVENPORT, Ohio
Parents: MICHAEL PACE and CATHERINE LEWIS
Christening: 18 May 1831 Raglan, Monmouth, Wales
Father: Thomas LEWIS
Profession of William at time of marriage: bookkeeper
Age at wedding: 24
marriage: Mar 5, 1889 - Margaret TIERNEY, Vancouver, BC
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The TIERNEY family came from NEPEAN
Ontario (OTTAWA today) may have known of HENRY PACE who operated a
watchmaker/jewellery business at 29 Sparks Street in downtown Ottawa, (actually this was
"upper town" when I was a kid living in Ottawa in the 1940s - "Lower town" - Rideau Street
HENRY PACE showed in the Ottawa Buisiness Directory, 1877, 78, 79.
Available for viewing (reference) at the
Wellington Street, Ottawa
same building as
which has large photo gallery display of
Alberta FIRST NATIONS peoples
and scenes from the era of the Fred Pace and
Sisters of FRED & HENRY PACE in Bristol England
1881 census of Bristol, Gloucestershire (GLS) England Napier Rd., Glenavon,
Westbury On Trym, Gloucester, England
Edward DUNCAN 39 Tea Dealer(Wholesale)
born Leadenhall St, London, Middlesex,
Adelaide Mary DUNCAN 35 -
of HENRY and FRED PACE
Wife born Holloway, London,
Harriet LEWIS U 21 Cook Domestic Serv
born Bristol Ashley Rd
- Adelaide B. DUNCAN 16 born Greenwich, London, Middlesex,
- Maud DUNCAN 15 born Forest Hill, Kent, England
H. DUNCAN 9 born Bristol Westbury On Trym
- Edward M. DUNCAN 5
born Bristol Westbury On Trym
Maria LEWIS U 19 Nurse Domestic Serv born
Bishopston, Gloucester, England
1881 census of Bristol,
Gloucestershire (GLS) England 42 Albert St Philip & Jacob Out, Bristol
David LEWIS 37 Railway Packer (Rly) born Pontypool, Monmouth, Wales
Mary Ann LEWIS 27 Wife born London, Middlesex, England
William POCOCK 33 - Labourer born
London East, Middlesex,
- Mary Jane
LEWIS 8 Daughter Scholar born Bristol
- William John LEWIS 7 Son
Scholar born Bristol
- Florence Emily LEWIS 5 Daughter Scholar born
- Alfred A. LEWIS 4 Son Scholar born Bristol
LEWIS 1 Son born Bristol
- George LEWIS 40 Brother Striker (Blk)
born Pontypool, Monmouth, Wales
Emma POCOCK 31 -
of Fred and Henry PACE
Relative of the LEWIS - Servant (Dom) born London East,
See POCOCK records from Stepney parish of east London
Possible, but not certain, connection with this POCOCK family.
After seeing the names of HENRY PACE's relatives of BRISTOL England
in the 1881 census
about the Lethbridge newspaper piece:
"About eight o'clock, CORPORAL LEWIS, being unable to get
forced the door and found him, lying dead, in his bedroom."
ANOTHER PACE FAMILY in early ALBERTA
NANTON, Alberta (in the south)
BRENDA HOWORKO nee PACE - Edmonton writes
Date: 98-02-10 From ALBERTA Provincial Archives, Edmonton
the following may be of interest to someone
and needing some information on these folks. -
JAMES WILLIAM PACE m. SARAH ALICE BANNISTER
in Center, Saguache Co Colorado, and immigrated to Canada in 1902
JAMES WILLIAM PACE
was the son of THOMAS ROBERT PACE
who came from KANSAS to COLORADO in 1883
- and brother to GERTRUDE who married SCOTT ARMOUR
- GERTRUDE and SCOTT were the parents of EDITH AND EUNICE
Some words of history about
THOMAS ROBERT PACE - Pioneer, farmer, developer, prospector - was all of these
- Thomas Robert Pace was left motherless at three years of age
- Children, barely old enough to sit a horse
were often given the task of wandering with the cattle,
keeping them within reasonable distance of home.
Unattended cattle might wander many miles and require much arduous searching to round up.
And Molly [Mary Eleanor Cowden Pace], always at his side
Theirs was the kind of unswerving courage, indifference to hardship and staunch Christian faith which made a great nation
of what was once an unknown land. - (To other white people - Indians resent term - 'UNKNOWN LAND')
- was homemaker even when there was little to make with.
- She was teacher to her children
- and nurse to the neighborhood.
ROBERT T. PACE
It is believed that his first child
WILLIAM ALEXANDER was born in INDIANA
But it was in the Cave Springs area in MISSOURI
that a young man of twenty-four [William Alexander Pace]
married JANE BAUCUM, who had come from Tennessee.
- WILLIAM ALEXANDER PACE
MOVE to ALBERTA
A man named Dave Ragain (a cousin of Gertrude and Will Pace) also moved to Canada with them
as did Scott Armor's father Walter and Walter Armor Junior (Scott's brother) a school teacher in Missouri
before he too moved north. He was married to Margaret (?) and had the following children:
I (Brenda Pace Howorko) have a nice story on these families written by Guy Pace.
- Nora (married Henry Moore),
- Gladys, Blonville (married Annie Hiltz and later Sadie Ainsworth),
- Harold (married Marjery MacEwan) and
- Winnifred (married Gordon Ferguson).
They all moved to southern California (via Utah) around 1914 - near Calexico.
At least three of their children (of James and Sarah Alice ?) died in infancy and one was named Britamarte/Britamonte.
The family moved back to the U.S. around 1914 and WILL and SARAH both died in Susanville
California (1955 & 1956). The family lived in Utah as well and I just noticed that both
girls died as children in California.
THOMAS ROBERT PACE
In 1902 he and his wife (name unknown - now known) left Center, Saguache County, Colorado
on the look for farmland and settled in southern Alberta.
There is a note in the little story that they (and their forebearers) had travelled from Tennessee
to Missouri and onto Kansas, from Kansas to Colorado in 1883.
Known children of THOMAS ROBERT PACE were:
- JAMES WILLIAM PACE
+ SARAH ALICE BANNISTER - immigrated to Canada in 1902
At least three of their children died in infancy - one was named Britamarte/Britamonte.
The family moved back to the U.S. around 1914 and.....
WILL and SARAH both died in Susanville California (1955 & 1956).
- ROBERT OSWIN Pace
- GUY LIONEL Pace
- JAMES STANLEY PACE
- PERCY LLEWELLYN PACE
- DOROTHEA ELIZABETH PACE
(died of diptheria in 1924)
- AMY ALICE PACE
- MAROE PACE born in Calexico
- GERTRUDE PACE
+ SCOTT ARMOUR also moved to Canada 1902 Nanton, Alberta
Dave Ragain (a cousin of GERTUDE and WILL PACE) also moved to Canada with them
as did Scott Armor's father Walter and Walter Armor Junior (Scott's brother)
a school teacher in Missouri
before he too moved north.
They farmed in south central Alberta (Nanton)
between Calgary and Fort Macleod