The GROOM families in ENGLAND
were also in the same SHROPSHIRE parishes as PACES - click here

I'm looking for the earliest GROOM/GROOMS of this family in Virginia, later Kentucky, where two Grooms married two PACE members. The PACE-DNA study puts me related to JOHN PACE of Middlesex County Virginia whose first documented record in Virginia is in 1693, a purchase of land in Middlesex County.

Let me say - since I was born in ENGLAND myself, a connection of my ancestry to JOHN PACE of Middlesex Co. would have been to a common ancestor, before JOHN or his ancestor, left England.

The common ancestor appears to be JOSEPH PACE Christened at Prees, Shropshire in 1618, father Rowland Pace. A 1653 marriage to Margaret PALMER for a JOSEPH/JOSHUA appears in the High Ercall, Shropshire registers. Then a Christening in 1665 at nearby Wrockwardine, Shropshire of the JOHN PACE, father JOSEPH mother MARGARET. My 6X great grandfather GEORGE PACE was Christened at Prees in 1670, father JOSEPH PACE, mother not mentioned but George's first child in 1694 was named MARGARET.

The JOHN PACE who showed up in Virginia, had six children, five of the given names were the same names my GEORGE PACE named his children in Staffordshire.

These name similarities, the DNA matches with today's descendents of the JOHN PACE of 1693 Virginia, indicate a rather clear PACE family connection.

Now I propose that JOHN PACE did not travel alone from Shropshire to Virginia. This web page indicates that GROOM families also lived in Virginia parishes where the JOHN PACE family and later descendents lived.

In looking for that common ancestor, the GROOM family may have some interesting clues. GROOM families were also in SHROPSHIRE parishes where my PACE ancestors were - the era of JOHN of M's ancestry also.

I've done my PACE research in ENGLAND back to the days of HENRY VIII. At the probable time of JOHN of M's birth say the 1650's, my PACE ancestors were in the same SHROPSHIRE parishes as GROOM.

This makes for an interesting study.
I'm putting some facts together here.

Maybe the original GROOM ancestor who emmigrated from England to colonial America, can be found, then his descendency in America that connects with the PACE family, later.

Some of my info comes from the GROOM-L@rootsweb.com list archives.
I've also collected GROOM Christenings & marriages of SHROPSHIRE parishes where PACE records were also to be found in the 1500's 1600's 1700's - the parishes of WELLINGTON, HIGH ERCALL, PREES, CLIVE -

see SHROPSHIRE records
GROOM Records
PACE Records
parish of PREES - my Shropshire ancestors - including GROOM and others
GROOMS Family Page
PICKEN Records

Cheers
GTPace-Ontario,Canada

To: GROOM-L@rootsweb.com
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001

File transcribed and submitted to the USGenWeb Archives by:
Edward Reynolds elreynolds@atl.mindspring.com

William And Mary College Quarterly.
Vol 15. No 1. Pages 24-36 July 1906.

This register,
which was kept by Rev. William Douglas,
Is the property of R. Lee Traylor, Esq.
of Memphis, Tennessee

I came to Goochland Dec 12, 1750. Preached 1st. at Dover Church Sept 15, 1750. Received by the vestry as parish minister by the then vestry following viz; Step List of the Vestry for the year 1756 when I got this book

Marriages. 1753
Aug. 24. Abrabam, Salle & Elizabeth Woodson.
Sept. 20 Will Groom & Dorothy Madison, both in this parish.
Sept.25. Will Banks & Elizabeth Martin.

peggycontreras@home.com

From GROOM-L@rootsweb.com
10 Jun 2001

VA Groom marriages

JOSEPH TAYLOR & NANCY T. GROOM 31 December 1799 Albermarle Co
JOHN PACE & POLLY GROOM 20 September 1807 Albermarle Co
BENJAMIN QUISENBERRY & SALLY B. GROOM 14 January 1816 Orange Co
WILLIAM BIBB & MOURNING GROOM 14 November 1822 Orange Co
ACHILLES ATKINS & ELIZABETH GROOM 06 April 1826 Orange Co
JOHN SHEPHERDSON & POLLY GROOM 15 October 1808 Louisa Co
JACKIE GILLIAM & PATSY GROOM 23 January 1810 Louisa Co
RICHARDSON CRANK & CATHERINE GROOM 14 January 1834 Louisa Co

WILLIAM GROOM (b1750) born in England
+ SARAH (Sally) PARKER m Kentucky

NOTE:

1. William's will lists his wife as Elizabeth.
   Could this William be the brother listed in John of Orange's will?
   
2. Note also that BOURBON Co is immediately north of CLARK Co KY where Solomon Grooms lived

• Abraham GROOM b ca 1777
  + Martina
  • Merlin GROOM
  • Horace GROOM
  • Issac GROOM (b abt 1803)
    James Woodson GROOM
    • Abraham GROOM (my husbands grandfather)
• Issac GROOM b 1779
• Moses GROOM b 1781
• Jacob GROOM b May 1782
  settled in Montgomery County, Mo. about 1816 Resides 1810 Montgomery Co MO
  + Sally QUICK
  • Lurinda/Lucinda Groom
  • Aaron b 13 SEP 1808 in KY
  • Maria/Mary Groom born around 1830
    + Dennis McGARVIN
  • William
  • Sally A
• Aaron GROOM b ca 1785
  + Maria BUSH
• Susan GROOM b 1787
  + John COX
• Elizabeth GROOM b 1789
• Sally GROOM b 1790
  (probably her true name was Sarah)

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000
From: "Guy D Coffelt"
To: GROOM-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Robert Groom, Richard Groom, William Groom

There were TWO families of Grooms
who intermingled in the area of Louisa, Orange, and Goochland.
JOHN of ORANGE Co had siblings so-named - ROBERT, RICHARD and WILLIAM Groom.

WILLIAM and DOROTHY Maddison Groom also had sons with the names Robert, Richard, and William. Furthermore, I believe that Dorothy and William's sons remained in the area a few years and also named their sons some of the same names.

Since legal documents don't require an age or parentage, we will have to find other ways to discern to which family they belonged. The test of which is which is in part knowing when your Robert, Richard, or William migrated and where.

When did JOHN of ORANGE's sibling migrate? How early do you find WILLIAM in KY, ROBERT in his location, and RICHARD his?

WILLIAM and DOROTHY Maddison Groom's

1. HENRY MADISON GROOM remained in Louisa until about 1800.
2. Their son WILLIAM who married
   + NANCY PARRISH died in Louisa in 1793.

Jolly Parrish had lived in Goochland as did the WM Grooms. Richard is a question mark. I always believed both Richard and Robert migrated. However there were real estate purchases and sales in the 1790's and sales in the 1818-20 period in Louisa. The 1818-20 sales could be another generation or the same. Additionally, there is another William Groom taxpayer in the Louisa area in 1800. This is after the death of my William in 1793 and before his son, William, was beyond childhood and probably after the death of the elder William.

Can you help on migration dates? And is the wife you see in the new location identified?

Idonna

JOHN GROOM
was head of a family
of six whites during the 1782-85 tax lists
of ORANGE Co VA.

1. His will was made in 1804,
2. he died in Jan., 1805.
3. His will listed his wife, Mary, and brothers and sisters and their children, but none of his children were named.
4. Will also mentions 1000 acres that he owned in KY.

Brothers:

1. William Groom
2. Major Groom b. 1762

1. Elizabeth Groom m.
   + Thomas Wright.
2. Mary Groom m. a
   + Mr. Atkins.
3. Ann Groom m. a
   + Mr. Harrison

NOTE: Many of this family went to Missouri.

ELISABETH GROOM
Spouse: WILLIAM MADDOCKS
Marriage: 10 APR 1765
Shawbury,Shropshire
Batch Number: M053902

ELIZABETH PACE
Spouse WILLIAM HARRISON
Marriage 08 FEB 1776
Shawbury,Shropshire

MARTHA MADDOX
Spouse: THOMAS HARRISON
Marriage: 19 MAY 1789
Shawbury, Shropshire
Batch Number: M053902

JOHN GROOM d 1794, Middlesex Co VA
veteran of Rev. War;

son: ZACHARIAH GROOM "II" b. ca 1760, Middlesex Co VA
moved to Caldwell Co NC m 1789 ELIZABETH WYATT
Children:

• William
• Carter
• Thomas
• Samuel went to Henry Co KY
• Robert went to Carroll Co TN will, 1855.
• John
• Dorthea

JOHN GROOM of Orange Co Virginia
+ Catherine WARE 5/30/1779

• Mary GROOM - married
  + John ATKINS - 1782
  not the John who also lived in Orange and married Susannah Brockman
• William GROOM - is this the one who moved to Kentucky and married a Sarah? Or the one near John in the Orange Co records?
• William GROOM in Louisa had children between 10-16 in 1800
• Major GROOM
  + Christiana BIBB - he did go to Ky
• Richard GROOM
  - I have either Catherine Webb 1791 or Barbara McGhee 1795
• Millie GROOM
  + Prettyman DELANEY 1778
• Thomas GROOM - died in war 1778 - had son John b. 1776
• Zachary GROOM
  + Eliz. WYETT 1789
• Ann GROOM
  + Henry HARRISON
  • Eliz HARRISON
    + John GROOM

Major Groom
+ Christiana BIBB

• Richard GROOM (named in John's will)
• Thomas GROOM (dec'd by 1804; do)
• Zachariah GROOM (dec'd by 1804 do)
  This COULD be the Zachariah Groom of Pittsylvania Co.,VA in 1782-1785)

ZACHARIAH GROOME
- KING AND QUEEN Co VA

Sons:

1. Richard Needles
2. William
3. John d. 1795, Middlesex Co., VA. During 1790 census (1782-1785 tax lists), a John Groom was in Middlesex Co. with 8 whites and one black.
4. Thomas (dec'd by 1796)

Daughters:

1. Rebecca
2. Elizabeth

Brother:

1. John GROOM d 1794, Middlesex Co., VA;
   veteran of Rev. War; son: Zachariah Groom "II" b. ca 1760, Middlesex Co., VA; moved to Caldwell Co., NC; m. 1789
   + Elizabeth WYATT

   Children:

   1. William
   2. Carter
   3. Thomas
   4. Samuel went to Henry Co KY.
   5. Robert went to Carroll Co TN; will, 1855.
   6. John
   7. Dorthea

   NOTE: The given name, Zachariah, appears in several different lines of Groom/e/s. I found in I.G.I. (Family Search) where a Zacharias Groom m. Apr. 30, 1630, in Lancashire, England.

   ---

   from KY-wordpad middle of page Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:00:19 -0800 From: "Peggy Contreras" Spencer Grooms and Cynthia Ann Grooms Family lore says Cynthia's father married her mother in abt. 1800 then he died in abt. 1812. Cynthia's mother then married a Chaney (Henry?) but she then died soon after on the way to or in Missouri.

   Notes for SPENCER GROOM:
   Spencer died at age 12.
   from Family notes from Jeff Uecker (Hall Clan papers).

   This mention of a Spencer Groom in the will of Wm. Groom could be a clue to our Spencer.

   Groom Heirs of William Groom Box 12 File 1 Drawer 3 287

   Know all men by these presents that we John Magill and David P Magill are held and firmly bound unto the state of Missouri in the penal sum of two hundred & seventy dollars to the use of Aaron Groom, Joseph, Spencer, John, Anna, Elizabeth Groom infant children of William Groom decd.

   Acknowledged in open court this 14th day of Nov 1831

   CYNTHIA ANN GROOM, b October 02 1804 Clark Co Kentucky d June 20 1897, Butteville, Marion, OR; m. JAMES ELLIOTT HALL, July 27, 1824, Liberty, Clay Co, Missouri; b. January 08, 1798, ,Madison Co, Kentucky; d. June 02, 1870, Butteville, Marion Co, Oregon.

   Handwritten obituary of Cynthia Hall done by Willard Rees in my possession: "At half past 6 o'clock Sunday morning June 20th 1897 Mrs. Cyntha Ann Hall a pioneer mother died at the residence of W. H. Rees her son in law near Butteville where she has made her home since 1869 having reached the advanced age of 92 years 8 months and 18 days. Cyntha Ann Grooms was born in Clark Co Ky, October 2d 1804 where she remained until attaining her 13 year, when her parents removed to Missouri- finally settling near Liberty Clay County where on July 4th 1824 she was married to James E. Hall. They continued that residence in that vicinity until April 1845 when they crossed the plains to Oregon, settling hear Buttevill, in what was then known as Champoeg- now Marion County- "

   the correspondent says: I am a direct descendent. Family lore says Cynthia's father married her mother in abt. 1800 then he died in abt. 1812. Cynthia's mother then married a Chaney (Henry?) but she then died soon after on the way to, or in Missouri.

   Cynthia Ann Groom b 02 October 1804 in Clark Co. Kentucky. She had a brother named Spencer who died at age 12. Spencer is the only sibling mentioned in family lore.

   I don't know if any of this is connected but the Parrish, Groom, Spencer families were related early in Goochland, VA. and Winchester, Ky. Frances Parrish married Robert Groom and her brother Jolly S. Parrish married Roxie Ann Spencer. Jolly S. and Roxie Ann Spencer Parrish married 1802 and moved 1835 to Pettis Co Mo. I would look into this if you haven't already. I do have the Parrish, Fox, and connecting families of Winchester, Clark Co Ky. in a "Fox Cousins by the Dozens" book.

   Marian in Texas
   marianwatson@hotmail.com One Clay County history book was published together with an adjoining county 'The History of Clay and Platte Counties, Missouri' in 1885.

   There are two Grooms listed. Both are sons of JOSEPH GROOM. Joseph was born in VA but reared in KY. Josephs father was a pioneer settler of Clark County, KY.

   JOSEPH married Nancy Hudtison, a dghtr of Col.Hudtison. They moved to MO and settled in Clay in 1824. Capt John S. Groom, the subject of one bio, was born Nov 28, 1828. Married Catherine Hadley, Feb 24, 1848. It has alot of detail on his military service, farming and opening a store in Kearney, elected sheriff in 1874 and served 2 terms. List children of Fannie, Ruth, Jennie and Walter. His first wife died in Aug 1864. He remarried her sister in 1866.

   The other Groom is Michael Groom. He also served in the war. Married Emma P. Adkins Nov 5, 1867 and in 1862, she died. 6 children: Elma, Ruth, Darwean, Artie, Minnie, Lizzie. Remarried Mrs Amelia Collins, a widow of Jesse Collins. No Halls listed.

   Notes for JAMES ELLIOTT HALL:
   Portrait and Biographical Record of the Willamette Valley Oregon
   James Hall secured a donation claim in Marion County near Champoeg, and improved a farm, upon which he spent his remaining days. James E. Hall born in Virginia )in 1798; by trade was a stonemason; reared on a farm: married Cynthia Grooms who was born in the Old Dominion state in 1804; early on moved by horse teams to MO; finally found a farm in the wilderness of Clay CO; in spring of 1846 settled at Champoeg, where JE took up donation claim; he lived to age of eighty, she the age of 94; raised 9 children